Tactical Failure

"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
12/03/2015 at 20:39 • Filed to: None

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Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
12/03/2015 at 20:43

This is the reason us non-muricans tend to despise muricans (or the murican cops). Shot first and ask questions later seems to be the thing to do.

Rico > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
12/03/2015 at 21:02

How did none of them have a taser or mace?

BaconSandwich is tasty. > Rico
12/03/2015 at 21:07

Or, you know, non-lethal takedown training?

e36Jeff now drives a ZHP > Rico
12/03/2015 at 21:10

They maced him once and shot him with 5 beanbag rounds.

Svend > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
12/03/2015 at 21:25

I strongly think U.S. Police need to ‘de-militarise’ themselves and learn from police forces around the world.

The U.S. Police tend to have the attitude of ‘who are you to ask or question me, I’m a police officer and I have a gun’.

Rather than shouting and getting out your weapon straight away. Approach and talk, assess whether there is a threat. Shouting escalates the tension with the gun taking the tension off the scale into the realm of ‘WTF’.

Rico > e36Jeff now drives a ZHP
12/03/2015 at 21:30

I wonder if those 5 rounds made contact because taking 5 is crazy. Taking one out of 5 I can see.

And the article says pepper spray which isn’t as strong as mace. Surprised they didn't have mace.

e36Jeff now drives a ZHP > Rico
12/03/2015 at 21:36

My wife had to be pepper sprayed for one of her qualifications in the USCG, the instructors who had all been pepper sprayed, and tear gassed(mace is sprayable tear gas) all stated that they would do the tear gas 100x over before getting pepper sprayed again. The stuff LE uses is 10%, its well beyond what you or I can buy.

There are, however, some rare cases where people are immune to pepper spray. Its possible that’s what happened.

Rico > e36Jeff now drives a ZHP
12/03/2015 at 21:43

Definitely have heard of situations in which pepper spray and mace was not effective. I just feel like there were other options to keep trying before blasting him.

Sneaky Pete > Rico
12/03/2015 at 21:57

Incorrect. Pepper spray is far stronger.

Flippy Uppy Headlight Enthusiast > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh
12/03/2015 at 22:03

Many of us ‘Muricans hate that this bull shit happens too.

Sneaky Pete > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
12/03/2015 at 22:03

Excessive force? What other means do they have to disarm the guy? I’m not trying to tackle some guy with a 6-9 inch kitchen knife who has already stabbed someone and is unaffected by being hit repeatedly with bean bags and being sprayed with pepper spray.

You know what would have resulted in him not being killed? If he had complied and dropped the fucking knife!

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
12/03/2015 at 22:05

Kinja'd!!!

Clear and present danger. Look at the guy.

Rico > Sneaky Pete
12/03/2015 at 22:05

I stand corrected, I've always been told the opposite and didn't look into the differences. Pepper spray is actually much more effective.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > BaconSandwich is tasty.
12/03/2015 at 22:07

Just get out of his way and wait for him to trip and fall down?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > e36Jeff now drives a ZHP
12/03/2015 at 22:08

5 beanbag rounds and 15 bullets. Horrifying. A 90-pound, clearly not-right-in-the-head waif of a man. With a kitchen knife.

Appalling.

Sneaky Pete > Rico
12/03/2015 at 22:08

I imagine getting hit with either one would make me fall to the ground and cry like a baby...it was bad enough when I touched my eye after applying icy hot to some sore muscles once.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > e36Jeff now drives a ZHP
12/03/2015 at 22:10

I was wondering where you were going with that; “my wife got pepper sprayed because she was acting crazy again...” Made me chuckle; no affront intended.

In the Army, I had to go through the tear gas chamber a few times. Yucky.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh
12/03/2015 at 22:10

It’s a power thing: “Do what I say or I will kill you.”

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Svend
12/03/2015 at 22:11

Amen.

e36Jeff now drives a ZHP > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
12/03/2015 at 22:22

I had to sit and watch it happen because I was her ride home afterwards. Its pretty rough to watch your Wife get pepper sprayed, then having to fend off 4 other people(all wearing red man suits mind you) and not be able to do anything about it. The guys conducting it had done the tear gas chamber, they said that was like a nice sunny walk in the park compared to the pepper spray.

samssun > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
12/03/2015 at 22:29

Wanted for a prior stabbing, served 5 years for robbery and had a gang injunction order, took 5 non-lethal beanbags and mace but still advanced on cops with an 8” kitchen knife? Sounds like he used up every reasonable chance he was given and then some.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > samssun
12/03/2015 at 22:59

In the video, guy looks to me like he’s retreating.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > e36Jeff now drives a ZHP
12/03/2015 at 23:02

I hear ya’. But it’s not like she didn’t sign up for it, right? Sounds pretty impressive, really.

samssun > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
12/03/2015 at 23:10

Retreating toward the cop on the left, whose job it is to stop him before he gets to his next stabbing. Putting aside the victimhood-forever crowd, how do people expect a scenario like this to end?

His option to go in peacefully involved dropping the knife. If I did the same things he did, I wouldn’t even get sympathy from my own mother.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > samssun
12/03/2015 at 23:29

Right. And if a judge said to you, “You should know better,” he’d be correct. The same can’t be said for everyone.

Rico > Sneaky Pete
12/03/2015 at 23:37

That's one of my worst nightmares. That or Vicks.

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
12/04/2015 at 00:15

I effing loved the chamber in the corps. I was one of these sick fucks

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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet
12/04/2015 at 01:03

Where’s Nibby?

e36Jeff now drives a ZHP > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
12/04/2015 at 03:20

Technically, she didn’t. She does ship inspections(which is what she signed up for), but they made her get law enforcement qualifications that her rate wouldn’t normally be getting(she was at the only port in the country that required the LE quals). Then the next month decided that her rate doesn’t need them anymore. Thankfully she has a paper saying she got sprayed once, so if they change their mind again, she doesn’t have to go through that again.

And it was impressive watching her do that, but there is something primal in you that just wants to go kick someones ass because they are messing with your girl, and you get that adrenaline kick if you want it or not.

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > Flippy Uppy Headlight Enthusiast
12/04/2015 at 12:04

I don’t doubt that.